Mike Oxsaw
11:51 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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What on earth will people do with all that "dead time" waiting for VAR to come up with their ruling?
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Northern Sold
12:09 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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`How does rugby get it so right and football so wrong`?
... and that's with 8 more players on the field.... I watch a lot of Rugby... i'd say the officials get 99.9% of the calls right once it goes to video... OK Scotland can feel a bit hard done by this year in the 6N's v France but apart from that I can't think of a call that has caused shit... world cup seemed the same... the majority of the decisions that got reviewed I don't think too many people complained... yet VAR is literally a toss of a coin... they are guessing... they 100% guessed over Antonios goal yesterday... there was no 100% conclusive evidence that the ball had brushed an arm... it might have done yes... but NO concrete evidence... the last min goal I have no complaints.... apart from it took them an hour to come to the correct decision.
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twoleftfeet
12:18 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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VAR is destroying football.
You can no longer celebrate a goal, I was at the airport when my phone indicated we had scored in the 94th minute but I didn’t celebrate knowing it would be reviewed and dissected.
I checked my phone 5 minutes later and that fucking “ VAR “ message was flashing next to our name, it’s so fucking frustrating.
I loathe modern football and the shit fucking referees who can’t make their own fucking decisions.
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maverick180
12:21 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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So most people seem to think there’s no corruption
I disagree with that, my opinion is that there is, whether that’s money driven, or just down to their own bias or ego, I feel these people are deliberately not doing their jobs properly
The fact is no one can know 100% what the truth is
The biggest problem I have with that is that there’s nothing in place to stop anything dodgy from happening
If someone on VAR makes a terrible mistake an apology is issued and that’s it
If an official was being paid off to try and get a specific result how would anyone know the difference when there’s no deterrent
And before someone says going to prison would be the deterrent, I’d argue that would never happen when there’s nothing in place to ever investigate a string of dodgy decisions
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Far Cough
12:21 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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Apparently the Soucek one was the longest VAR check in premier league history?
Clear and obvious my fucking hairy arse.
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only1billybonds
12:31 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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Maverick.
Cowardice, incompetence and arrogance are the 3 biggest factors in this whole fiasco. Not sure if that counts as corruption as such. Surely at least one person has to be benefitting for any system to be corrupt. Surely the natural conclusion to all this talk of corruption has to be match fixing because that's what it amounts to if true (which I believe it isn't)
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maverick180
12:37 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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Personally I do believe there’s match fixing going on but obviously don’t know that for a fact but I’ve seen plenty of evidence, which just gets brushed off as incompetence
Last season I was watching Liverpool vs spurs, in the opening minute Luis Diaz was chasing down a ball and kicked it off a spurs defender out for a corner, this happened right in front of the linesman, the replay showed him looking straight at it and Diaz played the ball against the defenders chest, there’s no way it could’ve been missed, but the linesman signalled for a goal kick, with bets being placed on the amount of corners in certain periods of the game, it doesn’t have to be the actual result that someone is striving to fix
Also, Mike Dean admitted that whilst on VAR he let an incorrect decision go as the ref was his mate, that wasn’t money orientated but I’d argue that’s still a form of corruption
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only1billybonds
12:41 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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Fai enough.
I guess it's all down to how corruption is defined.
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Bungo
12:46 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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There still don't seem to be enough cameras being used offering clear, close up shots for this to be regarded as accuturate in any way.
In American football the camera shots always seem to be far clear than here, making the decisions made (usually) less debatable.
I would be interested to know if there is a plan to increase the number/quality of VAR cameras used, so there is less and less doubt as time moves on.
Anyone know?
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maverick180
12:52 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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A few years back I watched a documentary on the subject
Bruce Grobelaar explained how it worked for him
He would be asked in certain matches to try and allow the other team to win
If he agreed to take part but couldn’t affect the result he would be paid a set amount
If however he could make ‘a mistake’ that led to the other team winning he would be paid a huge amount more
He didn’t think he’d get caught so it was a win win situation for him
With officials being able to influence a game much more than a single player can, I just don’t see why people think that it’s not possible that at least one official in this country isn’t doing something similar
Especially when they have the luxury of knowing that no matter how wrong the decision they make is, it’ll never be deemed as anything more than a mistake
Also take into account that officials earn a lot less than players so there’s some incentive for doing it straight away
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Sir Alf
1:01 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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The ball may have brushed or hit Soucek's arm. Thats not really the rule though is it?
The time it took VAR to decide totally contradicts the rule which states it has to be a 'clear and obvious' error by the ref. In other words, it may have been an error giving the goal but was by virtue of the fact it took 6 or 7 mins to decide, not a clear or obvious one?
VAR camera angles ( more cameras ) could help but the real problem with VAR is the same problem before VAR... the officials interpreting them. How many refs have played the game at a reasonable level? Quite a few don't understand the game but also the UEFA rules that guide them must be written by blokes who ain't played the game either.
All the refs do now is go with the decision that best 'covers their arse'
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,
1:06 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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What is the criteria when there is not a clear indication of an infringement. Is it taken that any doubt means the conceding side gets the benefit?
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North Bank
1:08 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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They're not corrupt, just fucking incompetent, that Australian cunt has form with us
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Northern Sold
1:16 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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I think if it was reversed and Villa had scored that goal we'd all be spitting on here and rightly so... it clearly hit Tom's arm before going in... annoying as it looked like the Bubbles scuffed effort was already going in... I don't have a problem with that being chalked off... it hit his arm... it diverted the ball into the net... surely that pretty simple to see... well it was when the ref went over to chalk it off.... the Antonio goal was a different kettle of fish
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maverick180
1:17 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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North Bank
What is it that leads you to believe that
Not trying to have an argument by the way, just wanna know why people believe it’s incompetency rather than corruption
There’s been officials in other countries that have done it, there’s been players in this country that have done it, there’s been managers in this country that have been involved in deals to benefit themselves
Why is it that people seem to think officials would be the only people involved in the game over here that haven’t done anything deliberately untoward?
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ludo21
1:22 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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I was listening to the audio commentary on Live Scores. The commentator was a Manc who was more interested in the Man U v Liverpool game but he persuaded himself that the Soucek goal would be given on the grounds that it wasn't an obvious handball and it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake.
Whole thing is a joke.
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goose
1:37 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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What i don’t understand are the different handball rules depending on where it happens and whether it’s an attacking player or a defender.
If the ball hits a defenders arm in a similar fashion to both our ‘goals’, it’s not a penalty.
So how can it be an offence in one direction but not the other?
Handball law is a mess.
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zico
1:37 Mon Mar 18
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Either corruption or incompetence it's not working, the consistency isn't there and the rules themselves are creating a problem. A camera placed like they do from behind penalty takers would have probably shown if the ball had hit Soucek's hand an awful lot quicker than 7 minutes. The rules need to be changed certainly of both offside and handball.
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maverick180
1:48 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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The whole thing needs to be scrapped
For me, I feel there’s more talking points now from VAR before it even began
There’d be incorrect decisions from goals that were offside and sending offs
But now it seems to be everybody is playing volleyball all of a sudden and everything is handball, or it isn’t when it blatantly is
It was brought in to get rid of wrong decisions
But now we have even more
No football fan wants it
So why’s it still here with no signs of ever getting rid?
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Bungo
2:01 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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maverick180 1:48 Mon Mar 18
Call me cynical, but I get the feeling that the endless debate is quietly encouraged as a part of the 'whole' entertainment package that is football.
Pundits on TV or the ra\\dio and all the endless discussion and debate down the pub are a massive part of football. If VAR was perfect and we didn't have all this discussion, most of us would be distraught!
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maverick180
2:03 Mon Mar 18
Re: Corrupt officiating
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Blimey I wouldn’t be
I’d be shocked but I’d be happy
I get what you’re saying though
Kind of like talksport who deliberately go out of their way to wind people up as they’d have no phone in debates without doing it
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